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>> also this morning. thousands of people are still without power. now fema is sending trailers. we'll have the very latest on the recovery in the northeast and a live report. a new warning from the congressional budget office. christine has that. >> that's right, soledad. about the dangers of going over the fiscal cliff. one nobel prize winning economist thinks we should just do it. what that would mean for your tax dollars. >> and seven members of navy s.e.a.l. team six punished after helping make a video game that some say is simply too realistic. did they put national security at risk? >> lots to talk about over the next two hours. kelly carender will join us. steve la tourette is back. pauly shore with us. chris heben, dr. sanjay gupta. patricia maisch and howie kurtz the host of cnn's reliable sources and his partner in crime lauren ashburn from the daily
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beast with us as well. it's friday, november 9th. it's friday. "starting point" begins right now. and good morning our "starting point" this morning, the u.s. is just 53 days to falling off that fiscal cliff. today, president obama is going to deliver a big speech about the economy. one of the main components of the president's spending plan is higher tax rates for the wealthy. that's something that house speaker john boehner doesn't seem to be buying. listen. >> raising tax rates is unacceptable. and, frankly, it couldn't even pass the house. i'm not sure it could pass the senate. >> without a budget compromise, drastic cuts amendmently kick in. that, of course, could send the economy spiraling back into a recession. white house correspondent brianna keilar is live for us this morning from washington. john boehner was the guy who said he didn't think a lame duck congress could do big things. what can be done in the next,
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what did i say, 53 days? >> well, maybe finding some sort of stopgap measure. some sort of framework on tax reform, soledad. i think that's the goal here. the fact is, house republicans and president obama and senate democrats, they don't really have a choice. they have to do something, and that became very clear yesterday when the cbo put out a report showing that if the country goes over the fiscal cliff you're looking at economic calamity. you're looking at unemployment ticking up, perhaps two points. you're looking at a recession next year. so, also listen to the conciliatory language that we're hearing from the hill and that we may be hearing from president obama when he speaks here at the white house this afternoon. listen to what john boehner also said about being reasonable. >> we can talk about all kinds of things we may disagree on. i'm the most reasonable, responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over. now it's time to get to work. >> so talk, soledad, of working
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to the. but you might say speaker boehner has said tax rates for the wealthy can't go up. they're at 35% right now. they're scheduled to go up above 39% by the end of the year. then you say president obama said he will veto anything that does not increase tax rates on wealthy americans. you wonder where is the middle ground there? the middle ground, it appears, and we don't know the details on this, would be moving towards a framework on tax reform. you know right now, even a lot of people who might fall under that 35% tax rate, income bracket, they don't pay that. that's not their effective rate. so if you simplify the tax code. maybe some of the change comes out in the wash. you could actually increase revenue. increase tax dollars without changing that tax rate. we don't know the details, though. and they really have to be worked out and this week is really the start of that process. >> the sound of that ticking would be the clock of the fiscal cliff clock that we're monitoring because it all comes to an end very soon. brianna keilar for us. let me ask you a question. we were showing a minute ago a
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clip of the president who was wiping away tears as he was speaking to his campaign workers. it kind of a little bit shaky video. sounds like it was shot by somebody in the campaign and not by tv crews, right? >> that's right. it was. so this was an event when he went on wednesdayish the day after the election to his campaign headquarters to thank volunteer and staff. we, the press, did not get a go. it was what we called closed press. this amazing moment, you can take a listen to this really emotional moment of president obama's. >> you guys have done, the work that i'm doing, is important. i'm really proud of that. i'm really proud, and what he has done -- what we have -- >> president obama there, soledad, clearly moved. i mean this is a side of him that we haven't really seen
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before. there were questions about whether he shed a tear because it was cold or because he was emotional at his last rally in iowa. but this leaves nothing to question. he was definitely emotional the day after the election. >> no drama obama gets a little dramatic and emotional. brianna keilar for us. appreciate it. road to recovery from superstorm sandy is agonizingly slow for so many in the new york area and the new jersey area. this morning more than 600,000 people are still in the dark. can you believe that? 600,000 people still don't have power. >> we don't have power. >> you still don't have power? >> no. >> we just got power then it went out again. >> that's not just from sandy. you still don't have it from sandy. >> correct. >> some people don't have it because the nor'easter came through and knocked down power for some people who got their power restored. new york city and long island have done what new jersey has done, the odd/even system of gas rationing. it begins today in new york. and long island. fema trailers are now en route to areas of new york and new jersey that were the hardest hit by sandy. cnn's susan candiotti is back at
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asbury park, new jersey. how is it going there? still no power for many of the folks there? >> that's right a lot of people, hundreds of thousands of people here still without power in new jersey. let's start by talking about the gas rationing. there's nothing wrong with copying a good idea from new jersey, because as you said, new york city now starting to copy the idea from new jersey and starting gas rationing in the city using the same system of odd/even license plates. just like they've been doing for the past week here in the garden state. governor christy started that last week, as we've been driving around that is one good note. we haven't seen any long lines anymore for gasoline, and sometimes no lines at all. and so, with that in mind, the governor family says here in this state that he might take another look at whether to relax those rules. listen. >> there's order, there's easy access to gas.
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we're continuing to use the national guard to deliver gas to stations and counties that are displaying some type of still disruption in their supply lines. but i'm confident that by the weekend i should be in a position to re-evaluate the odd/even system and decide whether it needs to go forward into next week. >> and of course getting gasoline really h help this recovery get further down the road. we went back to one of the hardest hit coastal areas in new jersey and looked at pelican island with a couple who lost their dream retirement home. the gentleman rode through the storm. listen. >> rode out the storm until friday morning. friday morning i said i couldn't take any more, because they turned the gas off. when they turned the gas off, that was the end for me. i told my wife, i would walk across the bridge if i had to,
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but i was getting off. >> now i like so many other families have to try to rebuild, obviously, very difficult days ahead for so many people on so many levels. soledad? >> just heartbreaking. that guy was a fire captain. a fire chief. i mean, you have to think in his career he has seen so many tough and horrible things. so, if he's crying i think it's a good indication of how bad it is for so many people there. thank you, susan. the full piece we showed a little bit earlier is amazing. john berman is going to look at some other stories making news. former arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords and the gunman who tried to take her life face to face in court. jared loughner sentenced yesterday to seven consecutive life sentences, plus 140 years for killing six people in last year's tucson rampage. casey wian is in tucson this morning. casey, dramatic testimony in both giffords and mark kelly are gun owners and they addressed u.s. gun law in the court. >> that's right john, there were
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a lot of messages sent yesterday by victims of this tragic shooting when they had the chance to confront jared loughner. a lot of issues about mental health, many victims saying that this tragedy could have been avoided if loughner had gotten the medication and the help he needed many years earlier. but as you mentioned, gun control also being on the minds of many of these victims. mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords, made a very strong statement criticizing lawmakers, particularly lawmakers in the state of arizona, for being feckless on gun regulation. >> it's really unfortunate, you know, that somebody won't, you know, take, you know, take the lead on this issue. you know, gabby and i are both gun owners. you know, we're supporters of the second amendment. but i don't really believe that that extends to high-capacity magazines, and extends to making it so easy to buy a gun in this country. we elect leaders to try to
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address those problems. and this problem really hasn't been addressed sufficiently. >> even the judge wrantzing to send a message on this issue, saying he didn't want to get political but it's time for lawmakers to revisit this issue of high-capacity magazines. that can hold 30 bullets or more -- >> we appear to have lost casey wian in tucson. next hour we're going to talk with patricia maisch who survived the tucson shooted as well and wrestled a loaded magazine from loughner the day of the massacre. severe actions members for members of the navy s.e.a.l. team six. they're accused of divulging secrets for the manufacturer of a video game. cbs reports one of the s.e.a.l.s involved took part in the raid that killed osama bin laden. all seven s.e.a.l.s had their pay docked and received a letter of reprimand which effectively ends their chance to get a promotion. next hour of "starting point" we'll find out more about the punishment, and exactly what the
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s.e.a.l.s are accused of divulging when we're joined by navy s.e.a.l. commander christopher heben. the sound of silence coming from iran, after pentagon claims that iranian jet fighters fired on unarmed u.s. -- on an unarmed surveillance drone in the persian gulf. it took place just days before the presidential election. officials say the drone was in international air space when it was intercepted by iranian aircraft. the drone was not hit, and it returned safely to base. the u.s. has told iran that such surveillance flights in the gulf will continue. check out this brand-new video of pakistani teen malala yousafzai. one month after her attempted assassination by the taliban. her father says she's recovering well, and that the thousands of cards, messages, and gifts she's received have helped her stay strong. malala is just 15 years old. reminded by that looking at this picture. and she has been a great crusader in the fight to get girls' education in pakistan in so miami-dade is done but a handful of florida counties are
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still counting votes from tuesday's election. time is about up, though. those counties have to report unofficial tallies in the state by noon tomorrow. the results will be certified november 20th. cnn has not declared a winner in florida yet. but democrats there have put the win in president obama's column. and mitt romney's team in florida told the miami herald their candidate lost the state. no rush, it's florida. if they get it within a week that's still pretty fast for them. >> they need to get their act to the. i feel like florida, on the lines thing, on the counting thing. we are in the technological age. it is time to move and fix it. that's my editorializing this morning. let's go back to the fiscal cliff. we also should get a little counter for the fiscal cliff. 53 days. christine's got an update on what it will mean if we hit it in 53 days. >> pretty alarming report out from the congressional budget office about this. it said in the post-election report on the fiscal cliff, it will lead to a recession and a spike in unemployment to 9.1%. congress, running out of time to
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prevent taxes rising for everyone and to prevent across-the-board 8% to 10% cuts for agencies like the fda, cdc, border patrol, education. the cdc director has said this, the reduction will risk costly and deadly spread of disease, and failures to prevent tragic and expensive health problems. every government agency is trying to figure out what these cuts will do to their ability to work for the people. the cbo also found that raising taxes just on the wealthy would not meaningfully hurt economic growth. quick check of the market right now. u.s. stock futures are mixed. the dow and the s&p 500 stock futures are down. nasdaq futures up a little. . dow plunged more than 400 points in the two days after the election. president and also house speaker making public statements today about the economy and the fiscal cliff. so markets clearly waiting to see what those two gentlemen have to say about where we go from here. >> ahead on "starting point" this morning, is there a civil war brewing within the republican party?
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the writer's desktop and the coordinator's phone are working on a joke with local color. the secure cloud just received a revised intro from the strategist's tablet. and while i make my way into the venue, the candidate will be rehearsing off of his phone. [ candidate ] and thanks to every young face i see out there. [ woman ] his phone is one of his biggest supporters. [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center... working together has never worked so well. republicans are shaking off the presidential defeat, trying to decide what to do next with their party. some have talked about a looming civil war, particularly with members of the tea party. the national coordinator of the tea party patriots said this on tuesday. we wanted a fighter like ronald reagan. what we got was a weak, moderate candidate hand picked by the beltway elites and country club establishment wing of the republican party. the presidential loss is
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unequivocally on them with the catastrophic loss of the republican elite's hand picked candidate, the tea party is the last best hope america has to restore america's founding principles. keli carender is a national coordinator for that group and one of the very first people to organize a tea party protest. she joins us this morning. thank you for talking with us. >> thanks for having me. >> why do you think mitt romney lost the election if you had to list it in a nutshell? in a nutshell the republicans sat on their hands for four years. after 2008 you had barack obama who, and the democrats, who left paid staffers in critical swing states and offices open and they were working to identify new voters. i think i heard it was 1.8 million new registered voters, likely obama voters, that they managed to register in the four years in between the two elections. and i don't know what the republican party was doing. the tea party was just getting started. at one point they failed to do
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the part that the democrats were doing for the last four years in campaigning. >> sounds like you're saying -- >> and building their network-did >> that's what people would say to describe a ground game. when you have a good ground game you're doing all those things on the ground to organize voters. do you agree with what jenny beth martin said which was her problem was with the candidate and the bigger problem was that the candidate was a moderate who was saying that he was a conservative. do you agree with that? >> yeah, that's the second part of the equation. that is we had a candidate who was forcefully the biggest issue of this election, which was obama care, on the table. because he had romney care to deal with. and if we had been able to so as the center right coalition, if the candidate had been able to take barack obama to task for one of the most unpopular laws this country has ever passed, then i believe that we could have been successful in ousting president obama. >> steve latourette said he
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disagreed, when i asked him was that the problem was the conservatism of mitt romney, he said that the tea party's position on this was wrong. he actually said crap but i'll play what he said. >> there's one more phrase we use in ohio for that crap, and that's nonsense. and, you know, if you look at what happened. we lost charlie best and frank ginta in new hampshire. the republican party cannot be a national party if we give up the entire east coast of the united states and say that there aren't any -- we don't have any republicans in new england. we don't have any republicans in the mid-atlantic states. we can't continue to dis the latino voters and, you know, my wife is a democrat and she was so close to votes for mitt romney. but then, you know, mourdock and akin open their mouth and we send them running back to the democratic party, because they think we're nutty. >> do you think, kelly, that there is this, this civil war that some people have talked about, that there is no room in the party for both moderates and tea party members, like you can't all fit under the same
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umbrella? >> remember, the tea party is about fiscal responsibility. constitutionally limited gocht. and free markets. we don't take on social issues. so that's not under our umbrella. and the majority of americans agree with us on issues. they think government is too big. they think government does too much. they think government spends too much. they think the deficit is a result of too much spending instead of not enough taxation. >> but, but -- >> and so we are the center of america. >> but people also want people to figure it out. i mean, you know, anecdotally and then also if you look at various polls from across, people want their elected officials to go and work it out. not just to go to congress and argue with each other. we need to have some kind of progress. does the tea party in a way stand in the way, are, are you guys obstructionist -- >> absolutely not. there's two things going on here. one, the voters sent a republican congress back. so they obviously do not want an unfettered second term of obama. the second thing is when you're
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driving off of a fiscal cliff, you're -- if you're going to go halfway off this cliff you're still going to fall off the cliff. the point is we have to stand for what's right and we have to -- this country does not go off a fiscal cliff. >> what does that mean? so let's talk about the fiscal cliff for a moment i'm trying to understand what your pox would be. it looks like it's been described as some of the things that, that john boehner has said, it looks like there might be a, a window, a window of promise in terms of closing some loopholes which would really raise tax revenue. do you see that as a compromise that, that tea partiers would be comfortable with? >> tea partiers are absolutely comfortable with flattening and simplifying the tax code. we, for years, have been saying it's too complicated. it's too big. there's too much room for social engineering. and allowing politicians to determine our behaviors based on our tax code. the tax code was never meant to engineer our behavior.
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>> -- >> think about it, it gives you certain breaks for acting in certain ways and taxes you if you act in other ways. and it shouldn't be about that. the tax code should be about raising revenue to pay for government services. and infrastructure. and that's it. and there's too much social engineering within the tax code. so yeah, absolutely. simplifying and broaden iing th tax code would be something tea partiers could get behind. obviously the devil is in the details. but generally speaking, yes. >> keli carender, national coordinator for tea party patriots. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. >> that ohio congressman steve latourette is going to be back to talk with us in just about 15 minutes. also ahead on "starting point" new article says that if jon huntsman, remember jon huntsman, he was, he really couldn't make it as a republican nominee, but he, the new article says that a president would be out of office if, in fact, jon huntsman had been the nominee.
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welcome back, everyone. some top stories this morning. florida a&m university is offering a $300,000 settlement to the family of robert champion. the marching band member who died after a hazing ritual. the family's attorney says
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morning. welcome back to "starting point." we're going to start with john berman. get the day's top stories. >> happy friday, soledad. gas lines have become a rule in some of these places in the northeast. not the exception. new york city, long island, parts of new jersey, and new odd/even gas rationing system takes effect in new york today. the following the lead of jersey which saw gas lines shrink after rationing was imposed. the pentagon is expected to announce more details regarding the time line of the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi in libya as soon as today. last night, dr. ann stevens accepted the common ground award on behalf of her late brother, ambassador chris stevens, during a ceremony in washington, d.c. secretary of state hillary clinton was on hand to pay tribute to ambassador stevens who, of course, died in benghazi. if you've got nesquik in the pantry you may need to toss it. nestle has recalled more than 200,000 canisters of the chocolate drink mix over fears of salmonella.
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the bad batch was made last month with an expiration date of october 2014. so far there are no reports, thankfully, of everyone getting sick. police in arapahoe county, colorado, are looking for a dog napper. no. he was caught on camera breaking into a pet store wednesday night and making off with three expensive puppies. shame on him. now the search is on for the dog napper and the missing puppies. a 10-week-old yorkie and two 9-week-old bugs, which are a mix of boston terrier and a pug. >> that's terrible. >> that is so terrible. >> that's for sure. >> stealing puppies. >> it's just a bad day. all right let's bring in our team this morning. abby huntsman is with us. she's the host of up host liv. don lemon is up from atlanta. anchor of cnn newsroom on the weekend. ryan lizza is washington correspondent for the new yorker. about time you joined our panel, mr. don. finally. you know, yesterday we spoke to the retiring congressman steve latourette about mitt romney's
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defeat and we were asking him about that statement that came out from the tea party patriots that they were the last, best hope for america. listen. >> is the tea party america's next best hope? >> well, listen to me. there's a one-word phrase we use in ohio for that, crap. that's nonsense. you know my wife's a democrat and she was so close to voting for mitt romney. but then, you know, moor dak and akin opened their mouth and we send them running back to the democratic party because they think we're nutty. we have the right message on the finances. we have to get out of people's lives, get out of people's bedrooms and be a national party. and that's -- or else we're going to lose. >> a few minutes ago we were talking to keli carender the national coordinator with the tea party patriots who basically said no, we are all about financial issues, not about social issues. the congressmen, in her words essentially was wrong. congressman latourette is back with us this morning. thank you for being with us.
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one of the things that keli carender said was that she agrees, she thinks that in addition to a good ground game by the obama team that frankly you had a guy who was way too moderate in mitt romney to ever be able to succeed. here's what she said about the tea party. >> remember the tea party is about fiscal responsibility. constitutionally limited government. and free markets. we don't take on social issues so that's not under our umbrella and the majority of americans agree with us on the issues. they think that government's too big, they think government does too much, they think government spends too much. they think the deficit is a result of too much spending. instead of not enough taxation. and so we are the center of america. >> so she says she's the center of america. and if there's any kind of civil war it certainly doesn't involve the tea party, civil war within the republican party. what do you think of that? >> well, i think her message, i watched her while i was getting ready and she's right. that when it comes to fiscal issues, the center right coalition in this country does
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believe government's too big, we should tax last before we look at that as an option and figure out how to spend less money. but the difficulty is, and why i made the observation yesterday, and by the way my wife's mad at me, i can't talk about how she voted and i can't say crap on your program. >> i agree with her on the crap part. >> yeah but let me tell you what happens is, when you get a candidate backed by the tea party sometimes, they may be right on on the fiscal issue. but, they then veer off into other things. i would argue that ronald reagan would not be backed by the tea party today. ronald reagan when he was shot at the washington hilton was giving a speech about how he favored prevailing wages for union workers. and so it's -- it's when you get a tea party electric candidate backed candidate like mr. mourdock in indiana and mr. akin in missouri, and i would argue the republicans don't control the united states senate today in the last two election cycles because these
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candidates have not been center right. they've been right-right. >> so then ryan lizza, is there a civil war within the republican party? or is that just overstating it? >> that's what we talk about in the press. but the story of the election is the gop and what they need to do going forward. they can't win at the national level given their numbers, with the growing segments of the american population. and it sounds like the congress madge is saying, i'd like to ask him, do you think on balance the tea party has been a net negative with the republican party? i mean, the fact that you don't have a u.s. senate because of the tea party-backed candidates in 2010 and 2012, seems like a pretty significant factor. what do you think of that, congressman? >> i think the tea party, if you look at what they did in 2010, the net positive. i mean, the energy that they brought to the 2010 election around obama care, around fiscal issues, was absolutely helped. but with the disconnect is the tea party is not the republican
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party. and as we look, i talked yesterday about the poll that we commissioned, try not just to talk out of my hat, the poll that we commissioned with frank lund shows that 69% of americans, republicans and democrats, kwnt the country to be center right, and they're more interested in sending somebody to washington who will find a way to fix our problems than to continue just to come and fight. and so, the tea party is spot on. they're good allies and so forth and so on. but when you get a senate candidate that says that, you know, a child born as a result of rape is a gift from god, that doesn't help move us forward in the minds of the socially moderate, fiscally conservative women, in particular, that we need to be successful at the national level. >> so -- no clapping. so, here's my question for one of the things we asked keli at the end of our interview, is there room for compromise on this fiscal cliff, 53 days and counting. you heard boehner sort of it sounded like he was moving in
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the direction of there is something that could raise revenue if not necessarily raising taxes doing something that would in effect raise someone's effective tax rate. is that, and, and she sounded like the tea party, you know, when see saw the details, could be okay with that. is, so that sounds like an area where, i guess that would require the president to do what he worked against, what he said he would do in his election, right, which is raise taxes to be raised on the rich. is there going to be any compromise tea party and republicans would agree to? >> we're talking past each other. i listen to what she said and i agree with what she said. increasing tax rates should be a last resort. but the models when we put simpson-bowles on the floor and what the speaker is talking about is not exactly simps simpson-bowl simpson-bowles, but it's simpson-bowles plus, that if you simplify the tax code and you put favoring rich taxpayers, by giving them all these tax breaks and so forth and so on, and say you're going to pay 25% or 27%
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or whatever it is, the models do, in fact, show, despite what the president said during the campaign that it's fixsy dust or fairy dust the models do show and it's based on what we did in the 1997 balanced budget act with president clinton. the revenue came in faster than we anticipated, the budget was brought into balance. and so, there is a common ground here and that is you can create over $1 trillion over the next ten years of new revenues to the government without raising the marginal tax rates, and if that doesn't work, then you have to go back to your tool box and say, okay, that doesn't quite work, so now what do we have to look at next? i think that's what the speaker's talking about. he has my full support. and if that's what the tea poert position is, this should be a day at the beach next week. >> and by the way, i think that it's not going to be a day at the beach next week, congressman steve latourette. nice to have you with us. our apologies to your wife. next time around we won't tell anybody how she voted. still ahead on "starting point" going to talk about jon huntsman. could he have won the presidency if he had been the gop nominee?
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there are some people who say and not just his daughter abby who is with us who say he would have been the better pick. also forget politics, it's really pauly-tics. comedian pauly shore will join us with his special brand of political humor.
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one of the very best tweets that we saw during the election cycle came from abby huntsman who tweeted this. something pretty exhilarating about voting for someone you believe in. i'll sleep well tonight knowing i wrote in jon huntsman. her dad. some people are saying not just you, that jon huntsman would have been the better nominee.
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"the new york times" writes this, if the republicans had nominated jon huntsman jr. they might have been the ones celebrating right now. but he had no chance in the republican primaries because primary voters are their party's worst enemy. think that's true? that's the primary is what, what, what kills it for anybody who, who is a moderate in the republican party? >> this time it was. i think that, you know, you can always think about what if. and of course i'm going to be biased. we probably would have seen a different general election had my dad been the nominee. but, you know, if my dad were here he'd probably tell you that he comes from the republican party of lincoln, of roosevelt, and of reagan. where you know, they -- they really were about big, bold ideas, about bringing people together, about solving some of the biggest problems that we're faced with. and the republican party that we see today is not that. it's one that is thinking too small. it's not one that's inviting to these key groups like the latinos. like women. and that's something that's going to have to change. people talk about them moving more to the right and you say how much further right can the
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party actually go. >> it's interesting in the aftermath of the election, there are some people who are doing soul searching but there are others whose response was we should be more conservative. we should be more about the tea party. keli carender was more like that. >> doubling down on it. i'm doing a piece this weekend on my show, is it time for an interversion for the republican party? because, when you see this election, and i couldn't believe that, you know, they didn't think that the outcome was going to be the way that it was. because if you were on the ground and you saw those lines where people were voting early, there were people who were women, there were hispanics, there were all types of people and you knew which way this country was going to go just from being on the ground. it wasn't going to go extreme. it's not a party, just about, quite frankly, old, white men don't decide who the president is going to be anymore. so i think unless the gop becomes the gnp, which is the grand new party, they're on the verge of extinction. because they're tone deaf. >> -- about my dad was that he was not an ideologue, but that was tough to get through the primaries this time. he was someone that put the
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country first. he wanted to come up with ideas that were best for the country. >> the democrats went through this in the '80s and '90s. they lost three elections in a row. and who emerged out of the kayous and the soul searching in the civil war in the democratic party but bill clinton who went to the liberal base of the democratic party and said your way isn't working, we need to moderate on crime and welfare and a few other key issues and he yanked his party into the future and he won, of course, in 1992 and served two terms. i don't see the republican figure out there right now that's able to go to the right and make that case. because to do it, you have to have credibility. and with all due respect to abby's father, who i admire a lot and think is a great guy, what he doesn't have is the -- he can't do like a nixon to china. he doesn't have the credibility with the right wing to be able to tell them, your way isn't working, try my way. >> i'm going to make a bold prediction. we will have another republican president sometime in our lifetime. and i do agree, ryan, i do think there are hypothetical candidates out there who could
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do it. the importance is to have the credibility with the base, and then also, the credibility to move in the other direction. look at marco rubio. in theory, to do that. i mean the tea party loves marco rubio. >> isn't that part of the same right? you have to ask that question. is that just more of the same. do you have to totally reinvent the party. >> i'm confident there will be lots of conversation about this between now and 2016 for example. still ahead this morning on "starting point," no politician is safe when pauly shore is around. >> it's a tax thing. >> when you file your taxes -- >> i've never done that before. >> your accountant -- >> can you respond to me saying i've never done that before? >> pauly shore joins us with his brand of political comedy. he calls it pauly-tics. that's straight ahead. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't work on runny noses. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have an antihistamine.
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shore who rose to fame in the early '90s, those movie like "encino man," holytics, herman cain, barney frank. >> it's not politics as usual. it's some of this. can i tie your shoe really quick? what's your husband's name again? >> jim. >> sorry, i'm just doing this as a favor. >> jim will be glad your doing that. he's always yelling at me. >> when you travel in the car do you wear a seat belt? >> all the time. >> if you don't what happens? it goes ding, ding, ding. >> yeah. >> you're the one that's responsible for the ding, ding, ding. did you even know that? what is the whole 999 -- the tax thing? >> you file your taxes. >> i've never done that before. should you respond to me saying i've never done that before? >> pauly shore is with us this morning. nice to have you with us. >> check rg one, two. i feel like the secret service.
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i'm coming in, check. can i do something really quick? can i wear your glasses, please, just for a second? >> sure. absolutely. yeah. >> you're going to need -- i'll feel more like politico. >> are you -- >> there you go. no, no. >> are you a political junkie? >> you know what? i grew up in hollywood my whole life, born and raised around comedians. i'm more excited to be around you people. i stare at you all the time. i stare at you. you're beautiful. i kind of don't know you. seriously, i watch him all the ti time. >> i'm not sure what that answer means. >> no, of course. i love it. i'm 44 now. i'm like i'm into it. when i was in my 20s you played the "encino man" clip, i was in my 20s. that's like a long time ago. >> 20 years ago. >> and we were doing this, yo, bros. she wasn't even born back then. >> it's not even 9:00 am. >> how do you like that?
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>> you went around in your special interview, we showed a clip of it, larry kings and barney franks, what were you trying tond about american politics? >> when you guys speak political language, fyi, a lot of people don't understand it. you know -- but you were breaking down that tea party girl, which was awesome. because she started saying things that no one understands. normal people don't understand this whole fiscal thing and blah, blah, blah. my motivation was to focus on the politicians and make them speak english, in a way that i can understand and humanize them as well. when i was with michael steele i was just trying to slow him down. he he's so cool he's like gop, part of the republican -- but every -- i just wanted to just -- >> you went suit shopping with him. >> yeah, i went suit shopping. >> we have a clip of that. >> he's hysterical. >> i don't want to come out. >> come on out. let's see. >> no.
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i don't want my friends to see me. >> let's go ahead. >> i'll be a staunch republican, hated by the masses. >> look, i'll get you to the rnc convention. >> what's an rnc convention? >> we'll talk. >> rnc convention is where they'll nominate mitt romney. >> look at me there. look at me! >> no, but -- >> are you a republican or a democrat? >> or tea party. >> i'm definitely more -- i was born and raised on the sunset strip. you know, my mom started the comedy store with all these different comedians, sam kinnisson. i'm very much more it democrat than i am -- but i also have like a cmt audience, too. my audience when i go on tour is alabama. it's like all the people that voted for mitt romney. did you guys notice what's really funny? the other day when obama won they cut to after ricky and everyone was dancing. they cut to alabama and they were like, jesus.
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>> democrat and republican. you could definitely be a politician. >> i'm definitely more democratic because i'm totally for guy marriage, stem cell research. >> do you think younger people are that way? they don't really identify with a political party. >> i just think that you say the republicans are too far to the right. i think they're too far to the white. i think that's the problem. they're very white. >> demographic studies in the wake of the election would prove you right on that. >> if you look at the mitt romney audience, they're all white people. >> would you ever run for office? >> yes. >> what office? >> first i would start off as mayor, in a small town, small southern town. where they go loik this. >> in alabama. >> save america from that, please, i'm begging you. nice to have you with us. >> nice to see. >> you locking forward to your special. got to take a break. we're back in just a moment. [ woman ] it's 32 minutes to go time,
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ask your doctor about levemir® flexpen. covered by 90% of insurance plans, including medicare. find your co-pay at >> welcome, everybody. our "starting point" this morning, approaching that fiscal cliff, the president will give his first speech since re-election. will we see compromise before it's too late. and the president wiping away tears.
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we'll show you why. don lemon and actor jonah hill go toe to toe. a tweet to tweet. we'll ask don what happened. >> it's friday, november 9th and "starting point" begins right now. morning. welcome, everybody. our team this morning, abby huntsman wiis with us. don lemon, who has been in an angry twitter battle with jonah hill. nice little jonah hill. really? what? >> no. >> we'll talk about that a little later this morning. of course, he is also the anchor of cnn newsroom on the weekends. our "starting point" this morning is that fiscal cliff. 53 days before we fall off that cliff. one of the main components of the president's spending plan was higher tax rates for the wealthy. and that is something that the
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house speaker, john boehner, doesn't seem to be buying. here is what he said. >> raising tax rates is unacceptable. and, frankly, it couldn't even pass the house. i'm not sure it could pass the senate. >> without a budget compromise, drastic cuts automatically kick in. that could send the economy spiraling back into a recession. white house correspondent brianna keilar is live from washington, d.c. this morning. good morning, brianna. could they actually come to some kind of negotiated agreement in the next 5 d3 days with this la duck congress? >> reporter: they would have to come to some sort of agreement on tax reform and stop gap measure. they really have to. cbo said yesterday if we hit the fiscal cliff you would see unemployment jump about two point points. we would go into a recession next year. they really need to do it. when you listen to house speaker john boehner saying tax rates can't go up and you listen to president obama say if tax rates don't go up i'll veto something,
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it seems like there's no middle ground but there might actually be. listen to what john boehner said about being reasonable. some rhetoric that's very con silltory. >> we talk about all kinds of things we may disagree on. i'm the most reasonable responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. now the election is over. now it's time to get to work. >> reporter: now the important thing that speaker boehner said, soledad, was that increased revenue would be on the table. so that's the thing to tell you that there may be some middle ground. of course, the devil is in the details. the idea here, though, is that if a framework could be worked on, you may see deductions close, tax credits go away. some deductions, some loopholes closed. and, you know, a lot of people -- even if they're in that top income bracket where they're supposed to be paying 35% or that's the maximum they would pay, some of them effectively are not paying that. they still could be paying more in tax dollars.
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that could create more revenue. yet the tax rate itself could not go up. complicated stuff, i know. that's what they're going to have to be working out here in the next few weeks. >> complicate d, i'm sure, is what that solution will be. let's talk about the president crying as he addressed some of his campaign workers. he is not usually a very emotional guy. >> he is not a cryer. we did see him, i'll tell you -- remember the last night before election day. he had his final rally in iowa where it all started. and he shed a tear. people wondered is that because he's cold or is he emotional? well on wednesday morning when he was at his campaign headquarters there was no doubt it was emotion. here he is. >> you guys have done means that the work that i'm doing is important. and i'm really proud of that. i'm really proud of all of you. and -- and what you --
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[ applause b] >> reporter: remarkable moment there. this is video put out by the obama campaign. his visit to his campaign headquarters in chicago is not covered by the press. they were not allowed in. so this is official video from the campaign. >> brianna keilar for us in washington, d.c. this morning. swronb bermaber john berman has at the other stories making h d headlines. good morning. they've been in the dark since superstorm sandy hit a week and a half ago now, with billions of dollars in damage. governor cuomo blasted the gas companies for being unprepared. odd/even system of gas rationing now in effect. and fema now providing mobile homes to hard-hit areas to new york and new jersey where residents were displaced by
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sandy. former congresswoman gabrielle giffords and the gunman who tried to take her life face to face in court. jared lee loughner sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences for killing six people in last year's tucson rampage. 13 other people were wounded. we'll talk to patricia maisch, who stopped loughner from reloading that day of the massacre. malala yousafzai, her father says she is recovering well and that the thousands of cards, messages and gifts she has received helped her to stay strong. this is an education crusader, just 13 years old, shot in the head by the taliban in an assassination attempt. men and women who served in the armed services. today marks the end of world war i, armistice day. some who helped to storm the
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beach on d-day will be on board the u.s.s. new jersey. and president obama will lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown. soledad? seven members of an elite navy s.e.a.l.s team are being sapgsed for allegedly revealing secrets, serving as a paid consultants of a video game without the military's permission. the modern warfare themed puts gamers in the boots of special ops across the world and it is being credited for its realism and auth enterauthenticity, blo future promotions. former navy s.e.a.l. commando, member of s.e.a.l. team 8. thank you for joining us this morning and talking to us. i don't want you, and you don't want to, and you will not reveal
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classified information. but give me the explanation of the kind of things that they revealed that make this is game more realistic but also dangerous to national security. >> well, one thing people need to understand is that when you sign on the dotted line for your navy contract or u.s. military contract, you're essentially signing a nondisclosure agreement. so did these guys disclose sensitive information to the extent it's going to damage operati operational capabilities or their fellow s.e.a.l.s in the line of duty or anyone in special operations command? i don't think so. what they did was they brought certain pieces of kit to fruition, to -- >> what does that mean? >> they brought their kit and exposed it. >> what does that mean, pieces of kit? i don't understand. >> like crit ical pieces of equipment, advanced night vision optics systems. we're using 4-2 night vision systems and hollywood shows single tube, double tube.
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these are four tube which gives extremely expanded field of vision and depth perception is dramatically improved. this is a piece of equipment that costs up to $100,000 to outfit each individual. not only is it cost prohibitive for any other country to acquire this, it's also controlled under what are called itar policies that prevent any military equipment or hardware from being exported to any other nation. >> so is the issue that -- >> to the extent that -- >> that they undermined national security or is it the issue that you're not allowed to do these kind of consulting gigs without going through us, the military, first, and that's what they're mad about? >> yes. >> or is there real risk they've now put people in? >> i think they're more upset they went at this without official command permission. one thing people need to realize is that back in 2002 when u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s one was released, the man that created that, that directed that, that drove that
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was david sears now working with soft studios in north carolina. sav david sears had complete cooperation from the u.s. military, whole command from s.e.a.l. team 3. they gave these guys weapons to fire so they could record the actual sound, four or five actual s.e.a.l.s. one or two are now currently at s.e.a.l. team six. they gave these individuals and equipment to david sears so he could make this game and have it be as accurate as possible. it appears to me that they've just change d the rules all of sudden, like a knee-jerk, hair trigger reaction to the mark owen book "no easy day" with the accounts of the bin laden raid. i think they're trying to clamp down on the divulgence of information. >> christopher. >> this is an article 15 charge, which is not a court-martial. court-martial is usually indicative of criminal charges. this is what's called an njp or nonjudicial punishment. they get a reprimand, half a
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month's pay docked for two months, which is the maximum financial fine you can assess. >> christopher, christopher, isn't it a little unfair to these guys, considering how much the military these days cooperates with hollywood, how much the administration cooperates with some of these films and journalistic accounts of what goes on in our military? isn't it a little unfair for the guys on the ground who are doing this hard work who see that and want to set the story straight? i read "no easy day" which is an incredible book. one of the thing that is drove that author was he saw what was being reported by the media. he he saw what was being put out by the white house after the raid and said he wanted to set the record straight and tell an accurate story. as far as i can tell, he was very careful in not revealing anything overly sensitive. it seems like the military wants to have it both ways on this stu stuff. >> yeah. there is a fine line. and it's sort of -- they impose things based on queens or the ability or need to do damage control. i would agree with your
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assessment of "no easy day." it was very factual, very accurate. you have to remember, too, these guys are not going to give away tactics, techniques and procedures or ttps that are currently in use. they're not going to do that. because they will put their friends and comrades in jeopardy. they're not going to do that. at the end of the day, too, the taliban and al qaeda is not going to use modern war fare warfighter as a training video, aas a training aid or recruitment tool or recruitment aid. they're not going to use it. it's a reactionary game. there's no planning involved. guys get killed they respawn and go through the room of the doorway again. it's not telling you what tactics to use. it's a very reactionary game. the way i look at it is this. a professional football player trains for hundreds and hundreds of hours for actually three to four minutes of physical contact during a game. so with these games, these video games, the players actually getting that three or four
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minutes of actual enemy contact. they don't get the training. altman hours that have to go into acquiring these skills and these abilities and intelligence data. they don't get that. they just get the meat and potatoes. it's an exhilarating -- it's a fun experience. >> christopher marks, joining us this morning. a lot of insight on that. thank you for being with us. we certainly appreciate it. >> yeah. you're welcome. >> thanks. we've got to take a short break. back in just a moment. we'll talk about legalized marijuana for recreational use. it pass this had election. is it a good idea? dr. sanjay gupta will join us with more on that. jonah hill, don lemon got a little ugly. >> he's tweeting right now. >> we'll talk about what happened. maybe we can do a little kumbaya. >> maybe not. everyone has goals. take the steps to reach yours, with us with real advice, for real goals.
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welcome back, everybody. the governor of colorado is reach i reaching out to washington, d.c., trying to get some answers about how his state's legalization of mayrijuanyor wj an is going to play out. he is reportedly set to sit down with attorney general eric holder. colorado and washington state both voted to legalize marijuana for recreational use. it is still illegal on the federal level. which is a bit of a conflict. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. first as a doctor how do you feel about marijuana being legalized in those two states? >> you know, those two states you're specifically talking about recreational use. as a doctor, obviously, we try to figure out medicinal properties. if it's more effective than what's already out there, that's the standard you look at any medicine, really, in the medical community. from a safety standpoint there's
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been a lot of studies on it, showing particularly in adults and particularly if it's not smoked, it can be very safe. effective wise there's been a lot of studies of looking at its use in certain conditions, nausea, and associated with aids, for example, it can be very effective. what's interesting now is that it could be more effective than some of the things already out there, particularly with pain. there's a type of pain, soledad, you may be familiar with. it's called nueropathic pain, nerve pain, radiating pain, pins and needles sensation. there's more data suggesting it could be more effective than other pain medicines out there. >> i hear you, doctor, but i'm not asking at all about medicinal use. is smoking pot dangerous for your average person who wants to use it for recreational use, when would you tell a patient who sat down and said tess now legal in my state, sir, and i want your advice. >> asking for a friend. >> that's what i'm saying. i think the safety data is pretty compelling.
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you know, look, this isn't anecdotal, soledad. people gave their conjecture on what they thought. now this is a studied substance. particularly in adults. younger than age 15 kids who are smoking are more likely to have long-term memory problems. if you start past a certain age, not using this as a child but an adult, the safety data is pretty compelling. smoking it can cause damage to the lungs, as smoke anything can. if you don't smoke it, in particular, but still taking the entire substance, including the tch not a lot of data to suggest that it's that harmful, long term. >> it's not just legalizing marijua marijuayor juan with a-- mariju recreational use, but does that present any ethical conflicts from a medical standpoint? >> part of that as well, john, they say that they will -- if someone is caught, suspected of driving under the influence, they could be tested for it.
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so i think, you know, from a safety standpoint, the idea that it's -- people will know the product that they're getting, they can be tested for it if they're driving impaired, for example, that could offer a lot of benefit from a pure safety standpoint. >> as someone who hosts the show on saturday night on cnn, aa lot of pot smokers watching, i'm sure. >> how do you know that? >> because every time we do a pot story and we're doing one this weekend to talk about people going on vacation to colorado and to washington state for pot. i think there's a movement in this country to legalize marijuana, number one. because it's not as bad for you as alcohol, quite frankly. people who smoke pot don't get in cars. so to drive cars -- usually you want to -- >> we're a country addicted to a lot of things and we're not any happier. we want more of everything. >> right. >> just because cigarettes and alcohol are legal doesn't mean you can add something else on that makes people happier or healthier. we need to -- especially sanjay, you know that the biggest cost
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to the government of any kind of health care cost is treating people who are addicted to substances, legal or otherwise. >> gateway drug. >> it is not a gateway drug. >> ask sn jay. >> it is not a gateway drug. >> you're not a doctor. i want to hear from sanjay. >> if you're prone to addiction, if you're not prone to addiction, nothing is a gateway drug. >> we don't do a good enough job helping people. >> alcohol is much worse than pot. but if i did, i would rather my kid smoke pot than drink alcohol. >> i would rather they didn't do either until they were old enough. >> stop for one second so i can ask a question. stop! oh, my god, it's out of control on friday. sanjay, yes or no? yes or no, is it -- shhh! yes or no, is it a gateway drug? >> i think the idea that it's an addictive substance and all of that, the data is pretty weak on this. i don't have a dog in this race like don appears to. >> all right. got it.
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that's all i wanted to know. sanjay, thank you. don lemon, i'm going to kill you in the commercial break. we've got to take a short break. up ahead, we talk about the twitter war with don and jonah hill. >> smoke some pot. >> shhh. they battle it out on twitter. we'll talk about that. oh, my god! what's wrong with you people?
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welcome back to "starting point." i'm christine romans, minding your business. markets are down sharply. this is an indication that markets will open lower this morning. concerns about europe, global growth and, of course, the fiscal cliff, pushing markets down. we'll have two key speeches today from house speaker john boehner, from the president about the economy and presumably the fiscal cliff. mortgage rates still near record-lows. 30-year fixed rate mortgage is 3.40%, 15-year fixed rate is 2.6 2.69%. each leg lower on this chart you're looking at is more money in homeowners' pockets, if you can refinance. speaking of that fiscal cliff, post election report on the fiscal cliff says it will lead to a recession, spike in unemployment in 9.1%. congress is running out of time to prevent taxes from rising for everyone. across the board 8% to 10% budget cuts for fda, cdc, border
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patrol, education. it's a long list. cbo also found that raising taxes just on the wealthy would not meaningfully hurt economic growth. in fact, it would hurt it by about a little -- maybe a quarter of one percentage point in economic growth, you guys. >> mortgage rates? >> near record lows, as i said. >> great news. here is what we've learned in the last ten minutes. i would like to recap. number one, don lemon is an emotional, committed, deeply, deeply committed advocate of pot smoking. we also have learned that he is a bit of a twitter battle with jonah hill, the actor. so here are some of the tweets. first one. >> oh, lord. >> this is from don. said hi to @jonahhill in hotel. think he thought i was bellman. didn't know his name till bellman told me. a lesson to always be kind. to which hill responded i said hi. what did you want me to do, move in with you? i was in a hurry. didn't realize you were a
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12-year-old girl. peace. don goes back, hardly. you're not my type. i but i know rude and you were. jonah hill comes back with i walked out of the restroom, found you waiting for me. shook hands. said hi and with his on my way. sorry if you found that rude. whoa, what happened? >> just to preface it -- i'm not going to get sanctimonious. it's kind of funny, i wanted to tweet t he's a comedian. i'll go quickly. i was stuck in an airport for six hours in cincinnati because the cab driver wanted to take a picture with me as i was getting out of the car. i missed the cut-off by one minute for my bag. listen, jonah hill doesn't owe me anything. he may have been having a bad day but he treated me like the help when i said -- i basically wanted to say i like you. i think you're funny. i didn't remember his name. i was checking out of the hotel, waiting for my bags.
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he walked by. i don't know where he was going. and he just kind of walked, just kind of like -- oh, and like i was the help. and so then he walked back and i said maybe you misunderstood, i wanted to tell you, i think you're really funny and he gave me the wet handshake like oh, and walked away. the bellman looked at me and i looked at the bellman. and i said what's that guy's name? he said jonah hill. i said oh, right. it normally doesn't bother me. >> but you were done. >> i was done because i had been taught by my mother to always be kind to people. >> were you surprised he answered back after you tweeted he was rude? >> yes. i was surprised the way he answered. had it been me, i would have said, sorry, i was really busy. sorry about that. to say i think the way he treated me was in his response. what are you, a 12-year-old girl. >> you responded back said not my type and went back and sort of said -- >> the idea that i am waiting for jonah hill outside of a
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bathroom is absurd. i don't have, first of all, the time for that. but i think when you're in -- anyway, for other reasons, but when you're in this business -- i'm not as famous as jonah hill. i would imagine people all the time -- >> twitter followers. >> when you're in this business, you have to be -- you should be nice to people. the only reason that you are here is because people go to watch your movies or they subscribe to cable because they want to see you. otherwise you would not have a job. >> i have a solution. >> wait, abbys had a solution. >> he is a pot smoker. he is. he is. tess a well-known fact. >> he is a pot smoker. >> jonah hill. >> that's what i said. we could have this kumbaya moment. >> your love of marijuana could bring you together. >> at least talk about it. >> i think as a journalist that we should really do the investigating and not be like we talk about the gop and things in the past. there are some very good reasons that pot should be legalized and we should look into it. christine said alcohol, we have
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issues with health care. maybe alcohol should be the substance that's illegal. >> you have moved us off my jonah hill conversation. >> anyway, yes. >> we'll see what he says. i'm interested to see if he sats, i'm sorry. kumbaya and everybody gets together. >> i'm not mad at jonah. it's funny. i love you. i saw a movie where you were -- he was the babysitter and driving the kids around. i thought he was funny. i just saw the movie so i recognized his face. i couldn't remember his name. he's a funny guy. i just think that the way he treated me was rude. and i didn't care for it. >> now he knows because you're engaged in a twitter war. >> not really. >> twitter spat. tension in the perfection gulf is what we're talking about this morning. iran shoots at a u.s. drone. what happens next? we'll get right to barbara starr at the pentagon. witness to murder. patricia maisch was there when jared loughner opened fire in tucson. she helped, actually, to disarm him. and she saw him yesterday again in court. she will join us to talk about
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morning. welcome back, everybody. you're watching "starting point." iran's military is responding to a claim that two of its airplanes opened fire on a u.s. drone over open waters. barbara starr is live at the pentagon for us. even though they failed to hit the drone, this is unprecedented, isn't it?
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>> it is the first time, soledad, that iran -- the u.s. says, has fired on a u.s. military drone. this raises tensions in the perfecti persian gulf. no question about it. the iranian military this morning is saying it will respond to any aggression inside its air space, inside its waters. but the u.s. says that drone was flying in international air space over the persian gulf, 16 miles out. the national limit is 12 miles. the question is, if this happens again, what will everyone do? would iran fire? would the u.s. respond? the pentagon says it's going to continue those -- what they call routine, but classified surveillance flights off the coast of iran. soledad? >> it's being released now. it happened november 1st, right? so before election day. >> yeah. >> is it as simple as that, before election? >> pretty interesting. why didn't the pentagon talk about it? they have in the past talked very openly when there have been these incidents with iran in previous months. the pentagon says it did not
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talk about it because it was a classified surveillance flight. let me take you a little bit behind the curtain. we here at cnn found out about this incident, went to the -- went to pentagon officials and started asking them about it. at that point, they acknowledged it. they gave me some details about it. and then at a press briefing yesterday, in front of tv cameras, then they openly acknowledged it. they said it had nothing to do with politics, not trying to bring iran up before election day but it was all about it was a classified mission. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. thank you, barbara. >> sure. the man who shot former congresswoman gabby giffords and killed six other people back in 2011 is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. giffords was in court, in fact, when the judge sentenced jared loughner to seven consecutive life terms plus 140 years without parole. giffords stood next to her husband, mark kelly, as he he read a statement, telling lo loughner that they are, yoet, done thinking about him. several survivors spoke at that
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hearing, among them patricia maisch, who wrestled a gun magazine off of him. you sat in that courtroom. it sounded so emotional. when you look back now, how are you feeling about all that testimony? >> it is always emotional, especially when a number of us get together and gabby doesn't join us very often. so having her there amongst us was very touching and she looks great, making great progress. it's -- i was not injured, if you remember, that day. i didn't lose anyone. so i think it can be more emotional for those people who were wounded or lost someone. >> but you get a lot of credit for -- >> it was a very emotional day. >> i bet. you get a lot of credit for what you did. you were not injured but you helped wrestle the gun magazine as i think he was trying to reload. you were on the ground and he was on the ground and you
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wrestled with it. eventually you held on to his legs, right? walk us through what happened. >> that is correct. roger salzbiger and bill badger were able to tackle him to the ground. i had dove for cover and they essentially knocked him down on top of me. and when they said get the gun, get the magazine, i was not able to get the gun because it was too far away, but i was able to get the magazine that he was get ing out of his pocket. >> wow! so a lot of the -- big portion of this hearing was spent on gun control. mark kelly, gabby's husband, stood up and talked to the judge about this. i want to play a little bit of what he said about, really, a lack of leadership is the best way to characterize it. listen. >> it's really unfortunate that somebody who won't take the lead on this issue. gabby and i are both gun owners. we're supporters of the second amendment. but i don't really believe that that extends to high capacity
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magazines and extends to making it so easy to buy a gun in this country. we elect leaders to try to address those problems. and this problem really hasn't been addressed sufficiently. >> would you agree -- what do you think should be done in the wake of this tragedy where really no change in gun laws? >> well, i am a supporter of the second amendment, but i do not own guns. i do support people being able to have them if they want them. but not in the hands of criminals. you know, the nra has a stranglehold -- the nra and the gun lobby and gun manufacturers, i believe, have the stranglehold on our legislators. and if you say anything about guns, you don't get elected because they have money that -- to help elect people who do support unlimited gun control -- unlimited guns.
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and we like to call it violence. gun violence control instead of gun control. we went to mitigate some of the gun violence. i think that there's -- last census, there was 310 million people in the united states. 4 million of those people are nra members. and recent polls by even conservative pollsters say that the majority of those gun owners -- not the nra administration -- but the gun owners support background checks. 40% of the guns sold in the united states do not have a background check. it's easier to buy a gun at a gun show than it is to buy sudafed at walgreen's. >> thank you for talking to us about your experience in the courtroom yesterday. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, soledad. i appreciate you talking with me. still ahead on "starting
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point" forget the election results. what about the craziness around the election? krl ro karl rove on fox, did you see that? donald trump on twitter, calling for revolution on twitter. howard kurtz joins us to talk about the fallout from the fallout. that's ahead. ♪ ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball.
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so there was the election. we talked a lot about that. then there was like the craziness around the election from karl rove on air on fox, who is kind of flipping out,s those projections are rolling in, especially around ohio, to donald trump going nuts on
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twitter. let's talk about all of that. howie kurtz for newsweek and the daily beast and editor in chief of the daily download, i like to call you guys partners in crime. >> we heard that. >> donald trump, he lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. we should have a revolution in this country. >> that's not true, by the way. >> right. wrong, donald. >> don't be a journalist. >> he removed, deleted these tweets. >> he deleted all the crazy ones? >> yes. not all the crazy ones -- >> trump's reality show is a great reality show. he should stop trying to make reality show about the presidency. >> he called for a march on washington, which i found very interesting. we can't let this happen. we should march on washington and stop this travesty. he believed at this moment that -- >> he believed that the popular
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vote -- >> had gone to romney and -- >> even if that's true, that's the way the system work. >> hello, al gore. >> he has always been a colorful, deliberately outrageous guy. he is losing touch with any semblance of reality. this points to the larger point. people who don't like the way politics are going in this country, they challenge the unemployment numbers, the polls. remember, polls turned out to be right. in this case, they challenged the legitimacy of obama's le election. >> i was talking to wendy williams, on her show yesterday, which was so much fun. she says it's a mistake to even talk about donald trump because it kind of makes his platform bigger. let me play a little bit of what she said to me. >> has driven -- >> election night into election morning were insane. it's insane. >> i don't think that brian should have fed into it. >> he had to. >> donald trump, i like donald trump but he is like a junkyard dog. they fight like junkyard dogs. >> he has a platform. >> yes. >> he was saying things that
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weren't true. >> she was talking about brian williams, who then got into this twitter spat with donald trump, saying all these things about his show, against him personal. >> he said he was one exit past relevance. >> that's what brian williams said. >> republicans really took this hard. that was like a stage in grief. the first stage in grief is denial. you're denying the facts here. the next stage is, you know, anger. and then people start to get really angry about what happened. it's that whole denial of reality is what concerns me. >> is that what was happening on karl rove who would not concede ohio or really the election? >> a weirdly compelling television moment. you had to ask yourself. he wasn't just challenging the liberal media but fox's own projection. was he there as a fox commentator or as a guy who f m formed this super pac to get mitt romney elected? he just looked -- >> so what happens to someone like rove? $300 million later poem are
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upset. has he lost all credibility? what does someone like rove's future look like from here? >> let's play how some of it went on fox, that craziness. >> do you believe that ohio has been settled? >> no, i don't. i don't know what the outcome is going to be. you should -- we've got to be careful about calling things when we have like 991 votes separating the two candidates and a quarter of the vote yet to count. >> great to have you guys here. >> that's awkward. >> that was megan saying that's awkward. >> why do you say it doesn't matter? >> yeah. >> if he's a commentator or running -- >> raising money for mitt romney. >> it's fox. are you expecting fox at night not to be partisan? >> i think that is actually a legitimate issue. it's not just on fox, but we do have a lot of people who are involved with politics or raising money for super pacs who also play roles as tv analysts, commentators. >> and i will say the most embarrassing for fox over this
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whole thing was he basically bullied the hosts into backing off a little bit from their call. these guys had called ohio. and if you read between the lines, the host didn't come back and say, no, mr. rove, you're wrong. we have called this. we trust the opinion. they were bullied into going back, interviewing. >> rechecking their opinion. >> professionals on staff. >> megan kelly said it best when she said awkward. and it was. we're back in just a minute. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers!
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merciful god, it's the end of the show. our last 45 seconds go to don lemon. your end point? >> my end point is there are a lot of pot smokers out there on twitter who are like, we love don lemon! the other thing is people take twitter war seriously. jonah is a good guy. we're just having fun. relax, everyone. it's not that big of a de


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